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CosmicHistory 4a 4b

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CosmicHistory 4a


Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 06:48:00 +0100
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From: Ant Phillips <ant.phillips@post8.tele.dk>
Subject: [CosmicHistory]  Comment on Cosmic History 4a

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Dear Cosmic Historian,

A few comments on the Cosmic History instalment I have just sent out. I have wondered if I was wise to send them out of sequence but have kept them that way - we will shortly start at the beginning and work through.

My background is that I had no comprehension of spirituality when I came into Scientology, so I suppose I had a long way to go (and it has taken time :-) ). I can remember an AbilityMagazine coming out (about straightwire, it was later incorporated in the red tech volumes). It stated (or I read it as saying) that I was mocking up the wall (amongst everything else, of course). I got a bit scared that I might inadvertently stop mocking the universe up and be left with nothing! Later I got more bits of data about the whole track, mostly mentioned in Ron's tape lectures, and it all seemed pretty muddled.

When I read Cosmic History a lot fell into place. Because of the very big reliefI felt (in the way of stable data handling a large confusion) I sort of swallowed the Pilot's words hook line and sinker (meaning accepting "everything"). And was sufficiently enthusiastic to give it out in instalments and repeat this issue over the years.

Recently I have been more critical (while still glad for what I feel is a fairly reasonable overall explanation)

And now, the situation is that I think The Pilot's Cosmic History is a marvellous explanation of how the enormous complexity of animals, minerals and vegetables in this universe came from "nothing", and also explains minor mysteries, like why I can't perceive a fourth physical dimension. But it has points about it which I am doubtful about.

In the part I have just sent you there are the following I am doubtful about.

  • The "Entry to the magic universe" (and entry into some of the other universes). "a wizard who floats out over the water" . What dramatic nonsense (excuse the irreverence, Mr. Pilot :-) ).

  • And where did the magic universe come from? Did the Pilot mock it up for us? It is a pretty poor history that does not tell you the start of what you are talking about. Perhaps it was a present from God, which the Pilot did not want to mention as it would have been "politically incorrect" :-) .

  •  "The goal of this universe" and goals of some other universes, in that my view is life (outside of inactive static/nothingness) probably has the same "goal" common to any universes, and before universes, which (expressing something in words which is senior to words) is to have a game, an occupation, to relieve the "boredom" of nothingness. The Pilot talking of different goals to different universes, leaves us with the mystery of who assigned the goals and why - different goals seem unnecessary.

  • "a need for yet a lower prison universe " . I am sceptical of the Pilot's pessimistic view of "lower" universes (and bits of universes, like this planet) being prisons. As I got to look at the sequence of universes, etc. proposed by the Pilot, it seemed to be that the whole track is a sequence of more and more complicated games ( occupations, or what ever word you choose for something higher than words). Over some months I thought a lot (you might use the term meditated a lot, or you might say, rather pompously, that I consulted the Akashic Record) about the period just before the formation of this universe, and what I sensed was an enormously high sense of excitement at the thought of building a more complex universe, a more "fun" universe, after a very long period of the relative simplicity of the Magic Universe which had come to a state where every one knew the rules, and the possibilities and it had become dull. An example might be that if you played draughts (checkers) for months and months (and months!), and then was given the data on chess (which you did not previously know about) and the opportunity to play you could be very excited about a the challenge.

Next week a larger "wallop" will be sent to you, concerning itself with bodies (a rather thought provoking piece).

All best wishes to you,

Ant

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 20:56:07 +0100
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From: Ant Phillips <ant.phillips@post8.tele.dk>
Subject: [CosmicHistory] A book
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Dear CosmicHistorian,

Rather surprisingly I have been given a book:

Rethinking Darwin
A Vedic study of Darwinism and Intelligent Design
Leif A Jensen (and others) copyright 2010 The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust  www.bbt.se
www.krishna.com

Looks interesting,  It is 248 pages, and I certainly don't expect peoples "cases" to be presented there as part of the argument.  Whether the vedic aspect will help us in our search is something I do not know - for me it is a whale of a book (gargantuan) and I don't expect to have time and concentration to read it in the foreseeable future, so if you care to buy a copy and report on it to the group it would be much appreciated.  What I have read is interesting, going into details of "Darwinism" having been long rejected (or cast doubt on).

I am very curious as to the Vedic element.

All best wishes,

Ant

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Antony Phillips.
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From: Pete Mclaughlin <pete_mclaughlin_93555@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CosmicHistory] A book
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 13:42:39 -0700
To: Ant Phillips <ant.phillips@post8.tele.dk>

Here is a YouTube video of Lief Jensen describing his book.

http://youtu.be/IUyO4X03SYI

Sincerely
Pete

The following was sent on the 23rd – at first I decided not to put in in the final version. AntEd.

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From: Pete Mclaughlin <pete_mclaughlin_93555@yahoo.com>
Subject: Intelligent design drives evolution
To: Ant Phillips <ant.phillips@post8.tele.dk>

Hi Ant
Dennis Stevens provides an example of intelligent design driving evolution in the book "02 the philosophy of TROM."

Sincerely
Pete

Here is the example

Now over to the male. The high "must sex” ionization on the male penis and the male testicles is quite obvious and to be expected and doesn't need any further discussion but what on earth is the male doing with his buttocks, his rump and his rectum having a "must be sexed” ionization?

Thereby Hangs a Tale
Ah thereby hangs a tale and …..



AntEd again: The tale is long, and did not seem to me well thought out. However it let to a number of (admittedly off topic contributions concerned with homosexuality, as far as it was connected to case, so I have included it in a Supplement



Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 07:29:21 +0200

To: cosmichistory@lists.worldtrans.org
From: Ant Phillips <ant.phillips@post8.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: [CosmicHistory] Cosmic History 4 (b)

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This comment on the last Pilot posting came through last time we did it.

All the best, Ant.


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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:14:52 +0200
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Subject: Re: [CosmicHistory] Cosmic History 4 (b)

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At 28/10/2010 Thursday 19:14, Ant Phillips wrote:
First an extract from:
21. THE CURRENT PHYSICAL (or Space Opera) UNIVERSE
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.... implanting followed by returning here in a wave of conquest

The person dies in a physical body and then stupidly runs around in an "astral" body where he can still be hit (and is still carrying around tons of baggage) until he can hook up to a new physical body.


I wonder where he got the idea that it was unsafe to be in an astral body? My father was a Sat sangi and believed one needed a "master" to guide one in the astral. Previously the belief was that if the "silver cord" was snapped - the body would die. White lights and glowing beings etc seemed part of those beliefs.

Modernly none of the above have been experienced by those who are able to astral travel. The expectation creates the metaphor that is perceived in the experience.

He says >It would be a good idea to practice thinking without using the brain. I think that we may have a need (or an aberration) to locate or store our thoughts and memories in some sort of mass or object. Try doing some arithmetic by pushing the numbers into a mountain or something and then try doing the operation (addition or whatever) in that space. When I first tried this, it was surprisingly hard (like doing it for the first time, despite the fact that I can run large calculations in my head easily), but it became easy very rapidly. This might make the difference between being bright or stupid after death.

I think some such may be a good idea because it seems we all astral travel but have the problem a computer has of retaining the memory or connecting the memories. The suggestion has been made that besides depending on anchor points - memory is "state specific" This is testable - Recall being the boss, a husband, ghost etc.

One needs some system of writing the Random access memory to the hard drive. Have other's any thoughts or advice on this aspect?

It's very interesting that he was able to astral with the body. Somehow dissolved the body?? Now that would be very handy. :-)

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A follower of Swaminarayanis referred to as a Satsangi (Devnagari: ).[1]There are eight important things in the life of a Satsangi.
fromhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satsangi  (Ant 2014 addition)


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From: Ant Phillips <ant.phillips@post8.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: [CosmicHistory] Cosmic History 4 (b)

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Answer I gave to the email I sent you a day or so ago.  First sent: Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 18:35:22 +01009


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At 20:14 28-10-2010, xxx xxxx wrote:
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It's very interesting that he was able to astral with the body. Somehow dissolved the body?? 

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Well, I do not think The Pilot "astralled" (if you mean he travelled down into the subway and along it with his astral body), in that rather interesting incident he recounts, possibly if he had "astralled" he would have carried his memory better. I think it was "just" an occurrence of the thetan (Ken Ogger) alone (as a viewpoint - no matter or energy) traversing the length of the subway. The cries of the girl, got him to be where she was, and the shock of it got him to mock up his body again. That is he did not "dissolve" the body, he just stopped mocking it up, we all mock up our bodies automatically (a very deep layer of automaticity).

If that seems odd to some, well, as I understand Scientology explanation of things., we are all, on a "Not Known" level mocking up the whole physical universe - very thoroughly not knowing that we are doing it. And if it seems strange to you, just hold fast to the reality you have (the walls and other physical universe around you) and read on, the further instalments of Cosmic History.

I might add, that I think the whole incident the Pilot relates of the subway walking was a fluke. These sort of flukes appear to happen now and again, some times with the positive result of giving the "victim" a deeper reality on life, and sometimes (when they occur on a process) of getting people to think it a marvelous process which will produce that result on every body "if they do it properly" :-)

All best wishes,


Ant
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From: Roland Aldridge<dornfordyates@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CosmicHistory] Cosmic History 4 (b)
To: Ant Phillips <ant.phillips ...snip... cosmichistory@lists.worldtrans.org>

I discussed this kind of thing with Ken Ogger when I met him, about ten years ago now.  In particular we talked about "OT" experiences, and how they are very convincing at the time and completely irreproducible at will.  I remember his talking about putting his hand through a table in front of some other people once.
We agreed that we had no idea how they happened or why they didn't ever seem to happen again!

 
Roland Aldridge
On Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:15 AM, Ant Phillips <ant.phillips@post8.tele.dk> wrote:
Answer I gave to the email I sent you a day or so ago.  First sent: Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 18:35:22 +01009


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At 20:14 28-10-2010, xxx xxxx wrote:
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It's very interesting that he was able to astral with the body. Somehow dissolved the body?? 

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Well, I do not think The Pilot "astralled" (if you mean he travelled down into the subway and along it with his astral body), in that rather interesting incident he recounts, po ,,, [ deleted -repeated as above]

To: Roland Aldridge <dornfordyates ...snip... cosmichistory@lists.worldtrans.org>
From: Ant Phillips <ant.phillips@post8.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: [CosmicHistory] Cosmic History 4 (b)

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Interesting.  Many thanks, Roland. Ken was kind of obsessed with OT phenomena.  We had OT powers in the last universe (Games Universe - still to be published this time round), and I believe there are very good reasons for not having them in this universe.  We will be getting round to that.

All the best,  Ant

At 20:48 17-04-2014, Roland Aldridge wrote:

I discussed this kind of thing with Ken Ogger when I met him, about ten years ago now.  In particular we talked about "OT" experiences, and how they are very

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