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concerned with GPMs (see the number he
researched in Super-Scio, which I found so dull I
stopped reading them). He was very actively
"fighting" the official Scientology body, a
"fight" I was not much involved in (my attitude
has been to preserve the bits of Scientology that
worked and helped - nearly approaching "live and
let live" though I am unhappy about people still in the "Church").
Basically his reality was fighting, and oppterms. (opposition terminals]
When he researched the track, that is what he
found. That is what was real to him, He had an
affinity for them. And I have no doubt he found
them. He was an astute auditor, knew how to use an emeter.
But my theory is that he misplaced some of
them. He had a theory that there should be a
specific purpose for a universe, and he found (in
the middle of some universes) places where games
(purposes) were postulated. He then misassigned
these purposes he found in the middle to the beginnings of some universes. He
felt that, with all the fighting that he had his
attention on in this life, there must be prisons and prisoners
of war in those times. He found evidence of that, and possibly
misassigned purposes related to prisons or war to universes, or this planet (This said
I think this planet is possibly a prison
planet - I have an open mind there, and at the
moment I think it silly to try and escape).
What puzzles me is that he never seems to be
curious about the creation of universes. He only
describes what I feel are peculiar ways we entered universes.
I think a very important omission in his
presentation of Cosmic History is the (in my
opinion, supreme) importance of NotKnow. Without
being able to Not Know, we could not invent a
game (occupation) and then have fun (or at least
an occupation) acting as though we did not know
it all, and thus making new discoveries.
[Added 30 Aug 2018: Not know was discussed in the fifties in Scientology
and is (opinion) covered by Scientology Axiom 2.]
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Ant describes the "revelation" he had regarding the time when those in the magic universe got thoroughly sick of the game they had been playing for a very long time..
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Subject: [CosmicHistory] Cosmic History 23 (author Ant)
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[[First Sent 18 March 2011]]
---
This, written March 2011, contains Ant's (my)
recent revisions to my view on Hubbard's and the Pilot's Cosmic History.
Dear Cosmic Historian,
Any conclusion, is always based on the data
available to the concluder.
limited value. Others, with different data will
possibly come to other conclusions. There are
many things I have not read or experienced,
notably (in this connection) Harry Potter books,
Georges Gurdjief, Carlos Castaneda, Bill
Robertson, various books of the dead, and Star Wars.
In the first years of my life I had no idea of what
life was about, and a four or five year brush
with the Christian faith did not help in any
useful way. Scientology gave me some stable data
(completely lacking before) but this was a very
slow process. In the (nineteen) fifties I read a
book on Straightwire which is now part of the Red
Volumes. From this I got the (very foreign to
me) idea that I was mocking up the wall (etc),
and (my havingness being pretty low) I was
fearful that I might stop mocking up the walls
and the physical universe as a whole!.
Things slowly fell in some sort of order after I
came into Scientology. I have heard quite a few
(well, out of 3000 not so many :-) ) of Ron's
lectures, and read a certain amount of the Pilot.
The Pilot's Cosmic History, has interested me so
much that I have sent it out in installments a
number of times during the process I became
less of a "true believer" and became more
critical. There is however in my mind an essence
of truth in the Pilot's Cosmic History, that
supplements what Ron has said about our past.
I am a little sceptical of the Jewel of
Knowledge, as I think it is too long ago (too
"primitive") for us to understand. However it
is nice to have something to blame if things seem suboptimum.
One of the things I have wondered about is having
different goals for different universes. It did
not make sense to me, I did not see a reason
for it. The emphasis on fighting, and prisons of
various sorts seemed out of proportion. There was
also the general theme that we deteriorated over
time. (Of course, starting from nothing, the idea
of deteriorating is difficult to conceive, so I
suppose the Pilot's theory was that we built
ourselves up from nothing, and started deteriorating.)
So I became a bit of a doubter. My attention went
on to the period just before this universe
started. Over a period of two to three months I
felt I was sort of "connected up" to that period
in the Magic Universe just before this universe was created.
And what I got was a feeling like an enormous
crowd who were really excited about the prospect of the
future. The Magic Universe had gone on for ages,
and as a game or occupation had become dull and
boring. In a similar way that if you, an adult,
play a simple game with a child (like noughts and
crosses, or draughts/checkers) which you have
played many times and, far more than the child,
you know how to win (or draw) easily. Even though the child is
working with it, interested and even excited,
you can win every time, practically without thinking.
Bluntly put, the Magic Universe game was played
out. It was a universe where everything was done
by direct postulate. After an enormous amount of
time all the possibilities had been tried.
Perhaps cheating and fighting were the only exciting possibilities.
And a new idea had been evolved. A universe where
things did not (normally) occur by direct
postulate. Things evolved with a degree of
randomity. In our universe you see this in so
many ways. Right in present time, if you want a
child, you can not just postulate it exactly the
way you want it. You can't even decide its sex
(well that might come!)! A child develops, with a
high degree of randomity. You want a
house. You can't just postulate it (except in
your own universe). You have to get the money
together. There is a certain amount of randomity
there. You have to get an architect and an
engineer to work together on it. You might have
to accommodate ideas of a partner.
There was also at the beginning of this universe
the game of mocking up the building blocks of the
universe - atoms for example. I suppose there was
a team working on that. Rather interesting.
There were suns and planetary systems to build. I
suppose there was a good deal of work mocking up
living organisms when there were planets with
suitable climates. What a complicated game to
play - Sim City (the name of the
computer game where you built a city) would be a
pale shadow of the fun of building a universe.
That is the essence of "Ant's Revelation". I
"perceived" that the Magic universe got
frightfully dull and boring, and the idea of
building a new universe, where randomity,
evolution and, unpredictability played a larger role
cheered us all up - immensely. The atmosphere was
like that of starting a long awaited holiday, or
meeting a loved one you had been parted from for
ages - but magnified, as it came from a very large population.
Build on that in your imagination!
In a couple of days I'll tell you of some of the
possibilities I have thought of that might be true.
All best wishes,
Ant
As a sort of PS:
We know, I suppose, that people have vastly
different realities, both as to matter, energy,
space and time, and in tone level. My theory is
that I and the Pilot have different realities (I
suppose it is a bit more than a theory). He was
From: Ant Phillips
Subject: [CosmicHistory] Cosmic History 23 (author Ant)
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---
This, written March 2011, contains Ant's (my)
recent revisions to my view on Hubbard's and the Pilot's Cosmic History.
Dear Cosmic Historian,
Any conclusion, is always based on the data
available to the concluder.
This article is my temporary conclusion and
therefore haslimited value. Others, with different data will
possibly come to other conclusions. There are
many things I have not read or experienced,
notably (in this connection) Harry Potter books,
Georges Gurdjief, Carlos Castaneda, Bill
Robertson, various books of the dead, and Star Wars.
In the first years of my life I had no idea of what
life was about, and a four or five year brush
with the Christian faith did not help in any
useful way. Scientology gave me some stable data
(completely lacking before) but this was a very
slow process. In the (nineteen) fifties I read a
book on Straightwire which is now part of the Red
Volumes. From this I got the (very foreign to
me) idea that I was mocking up the wall (etc),
and (my havingness being pretty low) I was
fearful that I might stop mocking up the walls
and the physical universe as a whole!.
Things slowly fell in some sort of order after I
came into Scientology. I have heard quite a few
(well, out of 3000 not so many :-) ) of Ron's
lectures, and read a certain amount of the Pilot.
The Pilot's Cosmic History, has interested me so
much that I have sent it out in installments a
number of times during the process I became
less of a "true believer" and became more
critical. There is however in my mind an essence
of truth in the Pilot's Cosmic History, that
supplements what Ron has said about our past.
I am a little sceptical of the Jewel of
Knowledge, as I think it is too long ago (too
"primitive") for us to understand. However it
is nice to have something to blame if things seem suboptimum.
One of the things I have wondered about is having
different goals for different universes. It did
not make sense to me, I did not see a reason
for it. The emphasis on fighting, and prisons of
various sorts seemed out of proportion. There was
also the general theme that we deteriorated over
time. (Of course, starting from nothing, the idea
of deteriorating is difficult to conceive, so I
suppose the Pilot's theory was that we built
ourselves up from nothing, and started deteriorating.)
So I became a bit of a doubter. My attention went
on to the period just before this universe
started. Over a period of two to three months I
felt I was sort of "connected up" to that period
in the Magic Universe just before this universe was created.
And what I got was a feeling like an enormous
crowd who were really excited about the prospect of the
future. The Magic Universe had gone on for ages,
and as a game or occupation had become dull and
boring. In a similar way that if you, an adult,
play a simple game with a child (like noughts and
crosses, or draughts/checkers) which you have
played many times and, far more than the child,
you know how to win (or draw) easily. Even though the child is
working with it, interested and even excited,
you can win every time, practically without thinking.
Bluntly put, the Magic Universe game was played
out. It was a universe where everything was done
by direct postulate. After an enormous amount of
time all the possibilities had been tried.
Perhaps cheating and fighting were the only exciting possibilities.
And a new idea had been evolved. A universe where
things did not (normally) occur by direct
postulate. Things evolved with a degree of
randomity. In our universe you see this in so
many ways. Right in present time, if you want a
child, you can not just postulate it exactly the
way you want it. You can't even decide its sex
(well that might come!)! A child develops, with a
high degree of randomity. You want a
house. You can't just postulate it (except in
your own universe). You have to get the money
together. There is a certain amount of randomity
there. You have to get an architect and an
engineer to work together on it. You might have
to accommodate ideas of a partner.
There was also at the beginning of this universe
the game of mocking up the building blocks of the
universe - atoms for example. I suppose there was
a team working on that. Rather interesting.
There were suns and planetary systems to build. I
suppose there was a good deal of work mocking up
living organisms when there were planets with
suitable climates. What a complicated game to
play - Sim City (the name of the
computer game where you built a city) would be a
pale shadow of the fun of building a universe.
That is the essence of "Ant's Revelation". I
"perceived" that the Magic universe got
frightfully dull and boring, and the idea of
building a new universe, where randomity,
evolution and, unpredictability played a larger role
cheered us all up - immensely. The atmosphere was
like that of starting a long awaited holiday, or
meeting a loved one you had been parted from for
ages - but magnified, as it came from a very large population.
Build on that in your imagination!
In a couple of days I'll tell you of some of the
possibilities I have thought of that might be true.
All best wishes,
Ant
As a sort of PS:
We know, I suppose, that people have vastly
different realities, both as to matter, energy,
space and time, and in tone level. My theory is
that I and the Pilot have different realities (I
suppose it is a bit more than a theory). He was
researched in Super-Scio, which I found so dull I
stopped reading them). He was very actively
"fighting" the official Scientology body, a
"fight" I was not much involved in (my attitude
has been to preserve the bits of Scientology that
worked and helped - nearly approaching "live and
let live" though I am unhappy about people still in the "Church").
Basically his reality was fighting, and oppterms. (opposition terminals]
When he researched the track, that is what he
found. That is what was real to him, He had an
affinity for them. And I have no doubt he found
them. He was an astute auditor, knew how to use an emeter.
But my theory is that he misplaced some of
them. He had a theory that there should be a
specific purpose for a universe, and he found (in
the middle of some universes) places where games
(purposes) were postulated. He then misassigned
these purposes he found in the middle to the beginnings of some universes. He
felt that, with all the fighting that he had his
attention on in this life, there must be prisons and prisoners
of war in those times. He found evidence of that, and possibly
misassigned purposes related to prisons or war to universes, or this planet (This said
I think this planet is possibly a prison
planet - I have an open mind there, and at the
moment I think it silly to try and escape).
What puzzles me is that he never seems to be
curious about the creation of universes. He only
describes what I feel are peculiar ways we entered universes.
I think a very important omission in his
presentation of Cosmic History is the (in my
opinion, supreme) importance of NotKnow. Without
being able to Not Know, we could not invent a
game (occupation) and then have fun (or at least
an occupation) acting as though we did not know
it all, and thus making new discoveries.
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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 07:16:45 +0200
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From: Ant Phillips
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[First Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 06:39:27 -0700 (PDT) by another)
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Thank you for sharing all this.
I will have it in mind that it is possible that this MEST universe was created as a new super playfield.
I can say now that Super Scio is my biggest inspiration. Fantastic book. And thanks to you Ant, I started to read this book, when you posted on Self Clearing group something about starting posting on Cosmic History.
You say that these things about GPMs and implants are boring to you, ok. :)
For me, these things are highly exciting.
I think that the Pilot's idea about "variety and richness of creation" as a goal which Static has is fantastic,
it is much better motivating factor than let's say "clearing the planet" or some similar goal that can go fanatical.
:)
Goodday.
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[First Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 06:39:27 -0700 (PDT) by another)
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Thank you for sharing all this.
I will have it in mind that it is possible that this MEST universe was created as a new super playfield.
I can say now that Super Scio is my biggest inspiration. Fantastic book. And thanks to you Ant, I started to read this book, when you posted on Self Clearing group something about starting posting on Cosmic History.
You say that these things about GPMs and implants are boring to you, ok. :)
For me, these things are highly exciting.
I think that the Pilot's idea about "variety and richness of creation" as a goal which Static has is fantastic,
it is much better motivating factor than let's say "clearing the planet" or some similar goal that can go fanatical.
:)
Goodday.
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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 07:21:50 +0200
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This relates to an answer someone once gave me when I asked him, 'What is the meaning of life?'. His reply was...'To Seek Endless Variety'.
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Subject: [CosmicHistory] Cosmic History 23 (author Ant)
This, written March 2011, contains Ant's (my)
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This relates to an answer someone once gave me when I asked him, 'What is the meaning of life?'. His reply was...'To Seek Endless Variety'.
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Subject: [CosmicHistory] Cosmic History 23 (author Ant)
This, written March 2011, contains Ant's (my)
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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 10:13:00 +0200
To: Cosmichistory@lists.worldtrans.org
From: Ant Phillips
Subject: Re: [CosmicHistory] Cosmic History 23 (author Ant)
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[Resent 30th August 2014]
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At 19:47 18-03-2011, Ant Phillips wrote:
...
>And what I got was a feeling like an enormous
>crowd, really excited about the prospect of the
>future. The Magic Universe had gone on for ages,
>and as a game or occupation had become dull and
>boring. In a similar way that if you, an adult,
>play a simple game with a child (like noughts and
>crosses, or draughts/checkers) which you have
>played many times and, far more than the child,
>you know how to win (or draw) and the child is
>working with it, interested and even excited, but
>you can win every time, practically without thinking.
>
>Bluntly put, the Magic Universe game was played
>out. It was a universe were everything was done
>by direct postulate. After an enormous amount of
>time all the possibilities had been tried.
>Perhaps cheating and fighting were the only exciting possibilities.
>
>And a new idea had been evolved. A universe where
>things did not (normally) occur by direct
>postulate.
Dear Cosmic Historian,
An example of
>>things did not (normally) occur by direct postulate.
would be sunsets. In the magic universe, you would just postulate a
sunset when you wanted one, down to the last detail. We probably did
that, and got tired of looking at others "latest sunset". Here, in
this universe the randomness is so great that we can not (yet :-) )
predict what the sunset tonight will be like (in this country it is
sometimes possible to predict accurately that there will not be one :-)).
Also in this universe we have created atoms and molecules, with
various properties, amongst the many intricacies, that water/ice,
gets lighter as it goes from 0C (freezing) to -4, Thus causing ice
to float to the top of a pond, and increasing the survival of fish.
I guess we also split into teams that created animals and plants, and
the means of their propagating in a slightly random fashion, their
digestive and other systems, and their social habits (think of dogs
when you take them for a walk - very different from cats, but both
created by teams of "us"). I have a "recollection" of being part of
one group involved with human bodies - I was rather unethical, which
would be why it came up in running a process.
That and much more pre-supposes that you, a static or thetan (words
used interchangeably), have "not known" a good deal of you powers,
and have postulated certain things limiting your powers, and have not
known having done so.
I was introduced three years ago to Michael Newton's books, beginning
with "Life Between Lives - Hypnotherapy for Spiritual
Regression". The data there was obtained by unusually deep hypnosis,
and (very briefly and roughly) paints a picture where we go to
another area after death, and meet with a limited number of beings (I
think about ten) with whom we have been associated for many life
times, we meet between lives, talk about how successful last lives
were, and with the help of others "experts" plan the next life, given
the choice of two or three different bodies with different scenarios.
In the three books, with lots of case histories, one can build up a
pretty good picture with some surprising details. It seems to me
possible that the "between lives" area talked about is part of the
Magic Universe, or another "layer" on this universe, as the Pilot suggested.
Somewhat mind boggling to some one brought up with the Scientology
scenario of "limping around" from maternity hospital to maternity
hospital, or getting into a between lives implant (neither of which I
have heard of directly as having happened).
I think that the universe is so large (and even the population of
this planet so large) that many different scenarios are possible
running at the same time. While two or three people have wanted to
"have me" as part of their family, I have disappointed them, having
no reality in that direction. On the other hand I do have a vague
but persistent reality on following my father around after I died, to
be born years later as his eldest son (rather like the traditional
Scientology belief).
There is also a theory that people after their death, go to where
they believe they will (heaven, hell, according to their religion, or
just hanging around a graveyard believing themselves dead). This
would be possible, perhaps with fellow thetans monitoring what people
believed and making sure what they believed in was mocked up ready to
receive them.
A conclusion I have made is that we have advanced in complexity of
occupations (games), and have not deteriorated as the Pilot holds -
we have gone a long way from "doing nothing" native state..
All best wishes,
Ant
--
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From: Ant Phillips
Subject: Re: [CosmicHistory] Cosmic History 23 (author Ant)
[Coming to you via the CosmicHistory Internet list server]
---
[Resent 30th August 2014]
---
At 19:47 18-03-2011, Ant Phillips wrote:
...
>And what I got was a feeling like an enormous
>crowd, really excited about the prospect of the
>future. The Magic Universe had gone on for ages,
>and as a game or occupation had become dull and
>boring. In a similar way that if you, an adult,
>play a simple game with a child (like noughts and
>crosses, or draughts/checkers) which you have
>played many times and, far more than the child,
>you know how to win (or draw) and the child is
>working with it, interested and even excited, but
>you can win every time, practically without thinking.
>
>Bluntly put, the Magic Universe game was played
>out. It was a universe were everything was done
>by direct postulate. After an enormous amount of
>time all the possibilities had been tried.
>Perhaps cheating and fighting were the only exciting possibilities.
>
>And a new idea had been evolved. A universe where
>things did not (normally) occur by direct
>postulate.
Dear Cosmic Historian,
An example of
>>things did not (normally) occur by direct postulate.
would be sunsets. In the magic universe, you would just postulate a
sunset when you wanted one, down to the last detail. We probably did
that, and got tired of looking at others "latest sunset". Here, in
this universe the randomness is so great that we can not (yet :-) )
predict what the sunset tonight will be like (in this country it is
sometimes possible to predict accurately that there will not be one :-)).
Also in this universe we have created atoms and molecules, with
various properties, amongst the many intricacies, that water/ice,
gets lighter as it goes from 0C (freezing) to -4, Thus causing ice
to float to the top of a pond, and increasing the survival of fish.
I guess we also split into teams that created animals and plants, and
the means of their propagating in a slightly random fashion, their
digestive and other systems, and their social habits (think of dogs
when you take them for a walk - very different from cats, but both
created by teams of "us"). I have a "recollection" of being part of
one group involved with human bodies - I was rather unethical, which
would be why it came up in running a process.
That and much more pre-supposes that you, a static or thetan (words
used interchangeably), have "not known" a good deal of you powers,
and have postulated certain things limiting your powers, and have not
known having done so.
I was introduced three years ago to Michael Newton's books, beginning
with "Life Between Lives - Hypnotherapy for Spiritual
Regression". The data there was obtained by unusually deep hypnosis,
and (very briefly and roughly) paints a picture where we go to
another area after death, and meet with a limited number of beings (I
think about ten) with whom we have been associated for many life
times, we meet between lives, talk about how successful last lives
were, and with the help of others "experts" plan the next life, given
the choice of two or three different bodies with different scenarios.
In the three books, with lots of case histories, one can build up a
pretty good picture with some surprising details. It seems to me
possible that the "between lives" area talked about is part of the
Magic Universe, or another "layer" on this universe, as the Pilot suggested.
Somewhat mind boggling to some one brought up with the Scientology
scenario of "limping around" from maternity hospital to maternity
hospital, or getting into a between lives implant (neither of which I
have heard of directly as having happened).
I think that the universe is so large (and even the population of
this planet so large) that many different scenarios are possible
running at the same time. While two or three people have wanted to
"have me" as part of their family, I have disappointed them, having
no reality in that direction. On the other hand I do have a vague
but persistent reality on following my father around after I died, to
be born years later as his eldest son (rather like the traditional
Scientology belief).
There is also a theory that people after their death, go to where
they believe they will (heaven, hell, according to their religion, or
just hanging around a graveyard believing themselves dead). This
would be possible, perhaps with fellow thetans monitoring what people
believed and making sure what they believed in was mocked up ready to
receive them.
A conclusion I have made is that we have advanced in complexity of
occupations (games), and have not deteriorated as the Pilot holds -
we have gone a long way from "doing nothing" native state..
All best wishes,
Ant
--
Antony Phillips.
www.antology.info
ant.phillips@post8.tele.dk
(+45) 45 88 88 69
Admin to SelfClearing2004,
SuperScio, Cosmic History
and IVy mailing lists
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